Well well well. Seems my post of some weeks ago has come to fruition as topical sooner than I had anticipated. I asked in an earlier post whether or not , in this age of terror, our diplomatic immunity laws were a bit antiquated in terms of the enemy we now face.
First, as to what has occurred. The president of Iran, Ahmedadenajad (thus forward known as "Ahmed") is coming to New york City to address the UN. Not only that, he put in a request to Mayor Bloomberg to visit and lay a wreath at Ground Zero, right where the towers stood. Bloomberg, being the idiot billionaire he is, said, "sure." Naturally the high velocity sh** smacked the fan as a consequence and Bloomberg subsequently rescinded the offer saying the NYPD made a plea to the mayor's office advising him that it would be a security nightmare and it just wasn't feasible. The state police, same story; and the secret service, no doubt under direction from the White House, also declined to provide an escort. Ahmed has now decided to go anyway, with Iranian state bodyguards et al, and lay his wreath. And of course, a major American University, Columbia, has offered to let him address the college and he has accepted.
Now, lest we forget, this is no ordinary foreign leader or convoy. We are in a global war on Islamo fascism, commonly refered to as "The War on Terror." He is the sponsor-in-chief of terror world wide. His army regulars (i.e. special forces in a raid/kidnapping) and munitions are killing our boys in the field as we speak. And the topper, he has been clearly identified by eyewitnesses as one of the hostage takers in the Iranian Hostage Crisis. That's right, the very man whom participated in seizing our embassy will now be given safe passage under the same customs and laws he chose to reject. In fact, his participation in that is one of the fame inducing credits that led to his being the mayor of Tehran and eventually president. So we have an ACTUAL TERRORIST whom has personally committed acts of terrorism against our nation in the past, and whom is personally directing acts of terror against us in Iraq, not to mention region wide, laying a wreath at the site where we suffered our most lethal terrorist attack. This is the precise scenario I described prior. Do diplomatic immunity laws apply to him? Should they?
There is precedence for this. The roots of this tradition are found in the prerogatives of Western European nobility, thus representatives of the Ottoman Empire were subject to arrest were hostilities to break out during their visit. Now, I realize that the modern rules codifying safe passage for diplomats were established in 1961 in Vienna - The Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, but my question is given we are at war with states and organizations that disregard the very nobility such laws are rooted in, is it time to make exceptions?
Now of course I understand the fire storm that would erupt if we were to begin seizing the diplomats of any nation for which we had a squabble with, i.e. China, Russia, etc. Seizing such envoys would be viewed as an act of war by their respective countries and nothing short of disaster. Much like the Roman diplomatic convoy whom was urinated on upon exiting Carthage, ("This stain will be washed away with blood") we, in blanketly revoking or disregarding this law, would be starting our own "Punic wars" with everyone, so obviously a general rebuke is not what I am suggesting. But are we not already at war with Iran? Are they not part of the axis of evil? Wasn't there a promise to go after terrorists and their state sponsors? "With us or against us" is a phrase I seem to recall.
My point is this. Ahmed is not here to meet with our leader in hopes of ceasing current hostilities. He is not negotiating terms of his surrender, nor a treaty or any other aspect of ending a war. He is not a traditional war time envoy. He is simply "coming here." Given his participation in siezing our embassy; given the acts of war he is currently committing against us in Iraq; given his regulars are engaging us in theater; and given he is not a member of an envoy meant to discuss the cessation of those engagements, he is a legitimate target for arrest in my opinion. So the moment he steps off the plane we take him in to custody and publicly announce that his personal acts of terror in the Iranian Hostage Crisis and his directing of terrorist activities in Iraq has caused us to revoke his diplomatic status and he will be prosecuted as an enemy combatant - then send his ass to GITMO. And by the way, criminal acts outside of the official diplomatic capacity are legal justification, according to the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, to revoke an ambassador's status and arrest him. Doesn't the 1970's hostage taking in Iran qualify?
At the very least the administration should announce, prior to his arrival, that we will not honor his diplomatic status and he will be subject to arrest as an enemy combatant. Then he will cancel his little trip and we will at least spare the families directly affected by 9/11, and all Americans, the insult of his presence.
FR
Thursday, September 20, 2007
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remember during the height of the Intefada when Yassir Arafat addressed the UN? We didn't do anything then either. And he WAS a terrorist, no two ways about it, no maybe, no "it was twenty so years ago" nothing. If Israel could have landed him he'd never have seen the light of day, and he strolled in and out of the UN pretty as you please. I'm glad he's not going to ground zero. Probably wants to lay a wreath for Atta and the rest of his "Martyrs."
Now, is this right? Probably not. Should we take a page from the Weisenthal manual and snatch him for trial? Yes. But it won't happen. Keeping in mind that the federal justice system DOES NOT CARE how the accused GOT to be standing in front of said judge. There is no law concerning how a fugitive is encarcirated on foreign soil and brought to America. Just that the procedures for an indictment are in place, meaning the defendant has a shot at indictment before a federal grand jury. Then throw his ass at gitmo while they get a grand jury together and move the process along.
Who's with me?
Small correction, he is still planning on going to ground zero as far as I know, just w/out a US escort. But yes, I'm with you - give him 3 hots & a cot down at GITMO.
FR
I was thinking about it - yes Arafat was an avowed terrorist and walked in and out of the UN unmolested. But this is different and I'll tell you why using your own words.
You said that if the Israielis could have gotten their hands on Arafat they would have. Well, Ahmedadenajad's visit to ground zero - given he is at war with us -is like Arafat laying a reef at a victimized deli outside of the Kanessa building. Would the sons of Abraham let him get away with that? Stroll in and out? Like you said, I doubt it.
While I obviously see the point of the post and the comments, and I agree that the heart of “Justice” is being broken by this visit, I am forced by nature itself to ask Ryan a very specific question:
Exactly when did you decide we were at WAR with Iran?
If my memory serves (and it does), I distinctly recall you saying at every single “driveway” meeting we ever had that “diplomatic measures had not run out” concerning Iran the way they had with Iraq. You constantly and consistently insisted that Iraq, NOT Iran, posed the single greatest threat to US interests both at home and abroad, BEFORE and AFTER 9-11.
When did the 20+ years of anti-American action by the Iranian leadership suddenly become important enough to warrant the avocation of an obvious breach of excepted international diplomatic protocol, when that wasn’t the case prior to the invasion of Iraq?
When did the expressed policies of the Iranian Revolutionary government CHANGE to a large enough degree to warrant this blatantly belligerent attitude on your part, when it was most certainly NOT the case in April of 2003? When did “diplomacy” run out? When Powell retired? When Saddam swung from the gibbet?
I am being a bit facetious, I know… but I am honestly curious. None of the sentiments you expressed here EVER dripped from your lips when James and I were SCREAMING that the real, legitimate threat the US in the region wasn’t Iraq… a nation that hadn’t even managed to haul off the burnt hulks of its destroyed tank corps, let alone rebuild them… but instead was Iran, a nation that WAS THEN and IS NOW working day and night to produce a THERMONUCLEAR device capable of destroying a moderately sized city with one shot… a nation that had, since the inception of its current government, stated as its standing policy the destruction of not only Israel (an ally), but the United States of America as well… a nation (as you said) that physically attacked American citizens and seized American territory in a blatant act of aggression that STILL has not had a satisfactory response, in my eyes.
I have admitted time and time again that the world is better off without Saddam (especially for Iraqis), but I refused then, and still refuse now, to pretend that Iraq posed even a small percentage of the threat that Iran has posed to US interests since 1979... and I am even more convinced now, as I feel the “evidence” (or lack thereof) proves my point resoundingly.
Say what you will of this Ahmed’s visit to NYC… I feel the nausea as well as you do, rest assured. It is the same nausea that I feel when I see Bush Sr., and Rummy, and Cheney, and Wolfowitz (sp?) in photo after photo shaking hands with Saddam prior to the ‘91 Gulf War. If the US could kiss a “terrorist” ass then, why can’t we do it again now? Isn’t it all in the name of “diplomacy”?
*sheesh*
Titus wrote ...
"When did the expressed policies of the Iranian Revolutionary government CHANGE to a large enough degree to warrant this blatantly belligerent attitude on your part, when it was most certainly NOT the case in April of 2003? When did “diplomacy” run out?"
At the very second they entered into the fray in Iraq. When they decided to participate in the killing of our soldiers via proxy and the direct assailment via government supported Iranian nationals, the diplomacy ran out in my eyes. This was not true in March 2003, thus my opinion is completely consistent from then thru to September 2007.
Be certain of this, we may not be fighting IN Iran, but we are now fighting the Iranians. That is the difference, and it's why you were wrong then and why you are wrong now. At the time, as far as the intel world knew, Saddam was the greatest threat. He's now out and Iran is in as the new "greatest threat." This is not complicated, try and keep up.
FR
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