Pull your hair all you want... I still question the legitimacy of Nuremberg's convictions on the charges of "crimes against humanity".
Two of the nations sitting in judgement of the men accused (France and the USSR) were themselves guilty of the very persecutions, illegal transportation and incarceration, and (in the case of the USSR) actually killing Jews, Gypsies and gays. That alone shows me there was a real question concerning the legitimate means by which the Allies (US, UK, USSR and France) could sit in judgement of 24 men and six national organizations (labeled "criminal" by the Nuremberg Court).
That does NOT mean I have the same concerns about Wiesenthal or the West German trials (or the Eichmann Trial in Israel, which he was involved with, to a degree). Those were not nations sitting in judgement of individuals who are not participatory citizens of the judging states... they were states judging their own citizens (in the case of West Germany) or victims (in the case of Israel).
Now, ironically enough, I get to agree with Ryan's post (welcome back, by the way!). We have seen just what that kind of "trial" can do to the US. If bin Laden is to be tried, it cannot be by an American civilian court, and it shouldn't be by an American military tribunal. It should be conducted by a court in a "jurisdiction" supremely impacted by the acts of the accused... and as bad as 9/11 was, does it really compare to what has happened in Afghanistan over the last 9 years? We didn't invade Afghanistan because the Taliban were bad men... we did it because they were harboring, protecting and supporting Osama bin Laden in his efforts to wage terror wars across the globe. They paid the price for that association (in spades)... but the price still to be paid is by bin Laden himself, and it will never satisfy "justice" in any real sense of the word.
The Saddam trial is a pretty good example of what I am saying. Was it everything a defendant could have wanted in swift and fair justice? Normally, I'd say no... but we are talking about Saddam Hussien, here. He got the best he could possibly have hoped for... and a million times more than he would have gotten from his own regime prior to 2003. Was it justice for the 25 million people he crushed under his boots for 30 years or the million or more he had killed? Probably not... but (as you said) it was as close to closure as they were going to get.
Sunday, September 19, 2010
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